It's Easter Monday!
Which means it's also one of these...
Which means it's also one of these...
Rol, I see you are looking for people’s opinions on whether certain songs from the past should be seen in a rather different light in these modern, progressive times. Should they be cancelled/banned/never played or listened to again? Or do they still have merit despite their old-fashioned attitudes?The first example you give of such a song is Young Girl by Gary Puckett & The Union Gap, lyrically all about a man who finds out that the girl he is with is younger than she initially made out. He therefore asks her to leave before things “go too far”.
I am just about old enough to remember this song from when it first came out in 1968, but I reckon it was when it was re-released in 1974 that I took a real shine to it. The chorus especially has a very jaunty, upbeat sound to it, like other songs from the era such as Everlasting Love. The session musicians who worked on it were part of The Wrecking Crew, that group of top LA session musicians who helped the Beach Boys, Phil Spector, and many others to make classic songs and albums. What could possibly be the problem with it? Because the lyrics refer to an older man with a “young girl”, it doesn’t sit well with our 21st century sensibilities, and quite rightly. But it wasn’t written in the 21st century, and as it turns out, the chap in the lyrics is doing the honourable thing telling the girl she has to get out of his life – something I don’t think many chaps from my neck of the woods would have done in 1968. I don’t feel it should be banned or cancelled but treated in the same way as certain books and films are now, a product of their time, 1968.A bit of background to those times: again, I am old enough to remember that the school leaving age in Scotland until 1972 was still 14. Many stayed longer of course but my Primary School also had a Junior Secondary for those local pupils who hadn’t passed their 11+. The girls concentrated on Home Economics (preparing them for being housewives) and the boys on technical subjects. They had their own cloakroom area, and as few wore school uniform we were in awe of these “women” in their fashionable coats, boots, earrings, and perms just like their mums. Once they left school the girls often found jobs in local shops and started going out with local chaps, driving around in their cars ahead of giving up work at 16/17 to get married and have babies. I really don’t think anyone considered the “age of consent” back then and just let nature take its course. What I’m saying is that in 1968, many girls were a lot more mature than girls of a similar age today so we can’t directly compare the definition of what is a “young girl”. Saying the times were different isn’t always a valid excuse for keeping things in the public domain, but I’m giving Young Girl a pass.So, Rol, that’s my take on this first song on your list of many. Hope I’m not totally out of kilter with everyone else. One more example before I go: I don’t think there was national outrage back in the day when we heard that Elvis’s relationship with Priscilla started when she was 14, and that she moved into Graceland with him at 16, that has only happened in more recent enlightened times. Again, she looked like her mother, not a schoolgirl, and there were plenty more just like her. A reflection of “the times”.
As jailbait songs go I think Young Girl is pretty tame. Gary Puckett is hardly in the same league as Jeffrey Epstein; it appears he's realised where this could potentially lead and is deploying reverse gear. As to whether it should be cherished or cancelled, I'm sorry but I don't care enough about the record/song to get that invested in it. If it were to come on the radio I wouldn't be grinding my teeth and penning a letter to Ofcom, let's put it that way.
I can't stop singing this song!! Walking the dogs the other day, I was even "singing" it out loud. Without delving into the lyrics, it's simply a great 1960s pop song, driven by that fantastic, strong Gary Puckett vocal. And now, thanks to Rol, I've actually listened closely to the lyrics "and though you know it's wrong to be alone with me....that come-on look is in your eyes". To say the least, that's a bit distasteful. I've probably got this song on more than one compilation album, and I would not skip over it, indeed I'd probably sing along, divorcing myself from the sentiment and just warble along with "young girl get out of my mind" etc. And I just can't bring myself to saying that it should be cancelled.
I don't really have a problem with this one. Yes, Gary admits to inappropriate desires, but ultimately he decides not to act on them, unlike actual paedophiles like R. Kelly, G. Glitter etc. who rightly were cancelled and should be strung up by their goolies. And while the lyrics are a bit creepy, there are countless songs on the same subject that are much creepier (any version of 'Good Morning Little Schoolgirl' for example) and others that are innocent in intent but sound very dodgy if you don't know what they are meant to be about (like 'Clair' by Gilbert O'Sullivan).
I am wondering about this, it is an interesting idea but is there a chance that some people might get extremely offended? Would you consider songs from certain glam-era pop stars who have been imprisoned? Would it include blues singers who killed someone? Or are you just going by potentially inappropriate song titles and sentiments such as the one you sent out? (I'm now thinking of a Nirvana song on their In Utero album that I have a problem with).
Are you looking for comments on Young Girl?If so, it is of its time.If you were to ban it, you would probably have to ban half the records from the 60s. Sweet Sixteen springs to mind...
You would probably and rightly avoid releasing it now, unless you were Donald Trump or Prince Andrew!
Tricky one. It's not like Gary was singing this at 17... he was 25, and Jerry Fuller (who wrote it) was 29 at the time. Even as I type this, I can hear Harold Steptoe in my head - "You dirty old man", etc.Also, if you consider that the song might have been meant as a serious meditation on a man realising the object of his desire is younger than she appeared, well, you think that would be a slow, contemplative song, perhaps sad, perhaps poignant. But it fairly bounces along, major key, brass, the lot.Also, Gary/Jerry seems to be trying to put the blame on the young girl in question if lyrics like "You've kept the secret of your youth, You led me to believe you're old enough" are anything to go by. Victim-shaming!And then there's the slightly forbidding "You'd better run, girl" which sets a quite different tone from, say, the cautionary tale nature of something like U16 Girls by Travis.I'm not a big believer in cancellation, and even less so in banning... but I could happily never listen to this again, and just let it die a natural death. Does it still have merit? Musically, I guess - lots of Wrecking Crew on there, I think. But lyrically? It's a no from me.
As for Gary Puckett & Union Gap, 'Young Girl', I must admit I'm ok with it - no need to cancel. 14 year old me, and all my 14 year old friends at the time too, know that young girl rather too well I think and, to be perfectly honest, after dousing ourselves in Charlie perfume and applying too much lipgloss, I think we would've been more offended at our narrator telling us to hurry home to mummy (I mean, how patronising! It's not even a school night!) But in all seriousness, he is trying to do the decent thing, being very candid about it too - and I'm happy to believe that he does. Plus, it's a good song. Of course if the object of his salacious affection is a lot, lot younger than I've surmised, then we're straying into different territory altogether...but I'm in the camp that thinks that maybe it would say more about the listener than the songwriter to naturally assume that particular scenario.
Hope that sounds ok, and I'm not on my own here!
Here are some songs about coats. I'm saving the gag till the end.
15. Naughty Ned's great-great-grandson?
Ned Kelly was a pretty naughty Australian. This guy hails from the same country, but I don't think they're related...
14. _ _ _ ics from a Laureate.
The Laureate is Mr. Simon Armitage. He also writes the lyrics.
13. Merrythought & burnt offerings.
Merrythought is what they used to call a wishbone, in days gone by.
(Only half a point for Coat of Arms.)
12. Rotate Hagar.
I was thinking of Sammy Hagar. And if you rotate him, you would be a...
Sammy Turner - Raincoat In The River
11. Found within Rebel Tony and DJ, oh no!
Rebel Tony and DJ, oh no!
10. Chesney sighted in California.
I saw that bloody Chesney Hawkes in Los Angeles!
I See Hawks In La - My Parka Saved Me
9. Tribal leaders in Western Ireland.
The Chieftains & James Galway - The Munster Cloak
Don't be telling me a cloak isn't a coat. Tell James Galway!
8. Where Martin Rossiter does his experiments.
Martin Rossiter is the lead singer of Gene.
I'd forgotten that little gem from 1999, but it's great.
7. Morse identifies a suspect from the block. Elementary x2.
When Morse identifies a suspect, he's liable to shout, "Lewis!" Jenny came from the block. Holmes, on the other hand, needed Watson... times two.
Did you crack that one, Sherlocks?
Jenny Lewis & The Watson Twins - Rabbit Fur Coat
6. Did you know that Elvis, Jonathan and Nat were all closely related?
They were...
The King Brothers - A White Sport Coat (And A Pink Carnation)
5. Cousin... luck than good management.
My Perfect Cousin was Kevin... More by luck than good management.
Kevin Morby - A Coat Of Butterflies
4. Two retards is not an acceptable term.
"Two retards" is an unfortunate anagram.
Rod Stewart - An Old Raincoat Won't Ever Let You Down
3. Closely guard Van on the pitch.
When they're taking a corner, make sure you mark Morrison!
Mark Morrison - Return Of The Mack
2. It's hard to perform when you each have three feet.
1. Lopez advises caution.
Jennifer warns!
Because the Leonard Cohen version would have been too obvious.
Jennifer Warnes - Famous Blue Raincoat
More Snapshots next Saturday? I'll get me coat.
Welcome to our special Olympics 2024 edition of Snapshots. I hope you got to see all the events...
20. The perpetrators in a murder mystery.
Everybody likes to know Whodunit.
19. Do you want ketchup on your ribs?
18. Would you buy a Z, never worn, even if it was reupholstered?
"A Z, never worn" was an anagram...
Warren Zevon - Hit Someone! (The Hockey Song)
17. This quiz would be impossible without them.
16. Ice, Double, Sour.
15. Bulloch, betrothed.
Yesterday morning, Jane Russell helped usher in a Top Ten Jane Songs... but I wonder if anyone can identify the famous Jane above? Piece of cake, right?
Here are ten more Janes...
10. Itinerant finding rocks in the meadow.
9. Found confused in the otter's ward.
"Otter's ward" was an anagram...
8. The Western Hemisphere.
7. Writing to themselves, and to the answer.
6. Obsessively eponymous, but outspoken.
5. They take after Dick Loudon.
Dick Loudon was the character played by Bob Newhart in Newhart.
4. Might reform for the second Bank Holiday in May.
We get an extra Bank Holiday in May for when they make Charles King...
3. Stolen leaf gatherer.
Nick'd rake.
2. How a founding father gets off planet.
Thomas Jefferson will use a Starship.
1. Denver hung turtle-dove.
Big anagram!
The Velvet Underground - Sweet Jane